tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post114702632644842113..comments2023-11-30T14:57:50.466-05:00Comments on Thoul's Paradise: Was Empire of the Petal Throne one of the main inspirations for the magic system in Arrows of Indra?perdustinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05842738630442736894noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-78856202084073938772021-07-07T11:21:46.135-04:002021-07-07T11:21:46.135-04:00(Apparently seven years later!)(Apparently seven years later!)Victor Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05928494560036528653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-18741929827345720102021-07-07T11:21:07.870-04:002021-07-07T11:21:07.870-04:00Hmm. It seems as though Pundit (I'd name him,...Hmm. It seems as though Pundit (I'd name him, but apparently some people object to that) has emulated Ray Feist, insofar as "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" is concerned. Granted, Feist claims to have done so unwittingly, but maybe that reflects even worse on Pundit.<br /><br />Full disclosure: I am the chair of the Tekumel Foundation, so finding out about this stuff is...interesting. :)Victor Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05928494560036528653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-37372304648206334282015-02-25T20:46:02.013-05:002015-02-25T20:46:02.013-05:00No, Gene Weigel invented those stats.No, Gene Weigel invented those stats.perdustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05842738630442736894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-15858347100629240712015-02-24T20:16:13.177-05:002015-02-24T20:16:13.177-05:00I like his blog, don't necessarily agree with ...I like his blog, don't necessarily agree with him, but it does seem like a simple "yes, EotPT was an inspiration" would have been more truthful and would not have harmed him.<br /><br />I wonder if he also invented Str, Int, Wis, DEX, Con, Cha as stats for RPGs.Doc Savagehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08783244633195233970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-44151623578456817062014-12-19T10:07:23.806-05:002014-12-19T10:07:23.806-05:00I was thinking maybe both were looking at list fro...I was thinking maybe both were looking at list from Patanjali or something but I guess his list is much briefer than I thought. (http://aumamen.com/topic/ashta-siddhis-other-supernatural-powers)<br />So it looks like there is no reasonable doubt here -- RPGPundit is a plagarist, and from I've seen now at his forums, if you call him on it, he goes berserk and changes the subject. Classy. A simple "Yes, I copied a lot of this from EPT" would have gone a long a way to re-establishing his credibility. I don't really buy RPG stuff anyway, but at least I know to steer the hell clear of his stuff.Mike Monacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11474135378521139178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-63263992614044169132014-12-11T17:04:21.659-05:002014-12-11T17:04:21.659-05:00Yes. Most people, IMO, until fairly recently would...Yes. Most people, IMO, until fairly recently would have connected EPT to Central America before they did to India.phfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05500880186402356662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-48433018389591226052014-12-11T03:25:27.536-05:002014-12-11T03:25:27.536-05:00Defence noted and accepted. He totally ripped off ...Defence noted and accepted. He totally ripped off the magic system. <br /><br />Speaking of Indian Folklore, I was always under the impression EoPT took as much inspiration from Indian Folklore as it did from Mesoamerican folklore(e.g the human sacrifices, no horses, names of those legions, rarity of steel weapons etc.). I'm no Indian mythology buff though, so we should probably ask the author of the bestest most historically accurate retro-game based on Indian mythology.<br /><br />(When you dive into the two, the similarities start to become staggering. His entire Major sutra section was pretty much copy-pasted from EoPT aswell. Divine intervention rules also. All the cool wonderous items. Shame he didn't go all the way, hooked up with someone with talent and made an EoPT retro-clone. Ah well.)<br /><br />-Prince<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-32257985368363602232014-12-10T19:17:55.416-05:002014-12-10T19:17:55.416-05:00I admit to understating the commonalities and I ca...I admit to understating the commonalities and I cannot deny being soft. However, in my defence, it was my object to present RPGPundit's perfidy in a succinct manner. In doing so, I bypassed certain details that further proved the point.<br /><br />The 'ripping off Indian folklore' excuse is not valid. Barker's magic system was original (especially considering that OD&D was the only other RPG at the time). While Barker's setting was inspired -- in part -- by Indian folklore, there is nothing distinctly 'Indian' about his magic system. It is no more 'authentic' than the standard D&D 'character level/spell level' system. Like I said, RPGPundit made a conscious decision to mimic Barker's system.perdustinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05842738630442736894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-35333780627795434852014-12-10T14:35:25.819-05:002014-12-10T14:35:25.819-05:00I should let this go, but i am going to answer tha...I should let this go, but i am going to answer that last question with a definitive no. Perdustin actually slightly understates the similarities in the tables(Pundit switched one or two powers to a different tier and medium is an edited The Spirit Vision, and i think there is another healing power for both priests and priests that is the same, you are getting soft Perdustin). If you read the power descriptions the plagiarism becomes obvious. Not to mention some of the magical items are almost literal copy-paste jobs. <br />Ripping off someone who is ripping off Indian Folklore is still technically ripping off Indian folklore though, it's just that a formal acknowledgement would have been gentlemanly, and claiming the work for yourself while shitting on EoPT is unforgiveable. <br /><br />Thanks again for putting it up Perdustin.<br /><br />-PrinceofNothing(transphobic doxxie stalker) <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-48838003196000753252014-12-10T11:07:52.143-05:002014-12-10T11:07:52.143-05:00Wow. I never had much patience for RPGPundit's...Wow. I never had much patience for RPGPundit's blog, since it never had titles or tags, just the date posted. Crapping on Tekumel to cover your debt to it is pretty lame. Is it possible they are both just ripping off Indian folklore? I'd have said so but the fact that they both have the same hierarchy or ranking on their tables makes plagiarism (on the Pundit's part, in the sense of not crediting one's sources if not copying verbatim) seem more likely.Mike Monacohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11474135378521139178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-50706077909957628372014-12-08T10:43:56.763-05:002014-12-08T10:43:56.763-05:00Ah. I don't read RPGSite. I'm just going b...Ah. I don't read RPGSite. I'm just going by what I see on his personal blog. Must be a big difference.StevenWarblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697680166430879676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-14329441300604716822014-12-06T13:01:05.917-05:002014-12-06T13:01:05.917-05:00I think I remember that review! I thought it amusi...I think I remember that review! I thought it amusing at the time but some of the shit he is spouting over at RPGSite makes me think he has a really big chip on his shoulder with regards to EPT and Professor Barker. A former gamer?phfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05500880186402356662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-87870503781905039212014-12-06T12:58:54.630-05:002014-12-06T12:58:54.630-05:00Mr. Pundit does indeed come across as a dick. I ha...Mr. Pundit does indeed come across as a dick. I have a mental picture of him frothing at the mouth in a wild-eyed rage as he typed those responses! I have my own fantasy India (and SE Asia) setting in "the Garden of Kama" but I never thought to "borrow" from EPT. phfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05500880186402356662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-87594270604517189352014-12-06T08:50:49.013-05:002014-12-06T08:50:49.013-05:00I'm sure it'sjust a coincidence from deep ...I'm sure it'sjust a coincidence from deep immersion in the source material, yeah, yeah, that's the ticket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-74979081342572789642014-12-06T05:59:09.578-05:002014-12-06T05:59:09.578-05:00Shit, i should also point out sometimes Pundit has...Shit, i should also point out sometimes Pundit has taken the effort of switching bonus spells from level 1 to enlightenment tier 2. So the similarities you point out are actually slightly understated. <br /><br />-PrinceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-33589027442106678242014-12-06T01:27:46.295-05:002014-12-06T01:27:46.295-05:00Good fun. As I boycott "pundit's" bl...Good fun. As I boycott "pundit's" blog, I have to enjoy the fallout rather than the bomb itself, so thanks.<br />~V~Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-87168116226810781372014-12-05T21:00:45.812-05:002014-12-05T21:00:45.812-05:00Perdustin,
You are the fire burning in my wake. P...Perdustin,<br /><br />You are the fire burning in my wake. Pundit cannot 1984 us forever, and he should have just copped to it. And your retro-reviews are informative and generally well done. <br /><br />Best,<br />-Drunkprinceofnothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-15787903862703889642014-12-05T20:05:11.670-05:002014-12-05T20:05:11.670-05:00As a man boarded in Psychiatry and Neurology
exper...As a man boarded in Psychiatry and Neurology<br />experience has taught me that arrogance is often a<br />cover for incompetence or theft<br /><br /> your recent analysis of the pundit<br />confirms my observationClovis Cithoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18208194219083373456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-74670840109559925642014-12-05T18:51:28.644-05:002014-12-05T18:51:28.644-05:00(Ugh, third try at a reply...)
On RPGSite, he'...(Ugh, third try at a reply...)<br /><br />On RPGSite, he's been flogging AoI by slagging off Tekumel and its players. He at one point said AoI's setting was superior and, for proof, offered an XKCD comic about made-up words. In his latest meltdown on the board in response to Prince of Nothing's review, he does even more of this.<br /><br />Then he was asked about AoI's magic system. He gave a lengthy explanation of how he crafted said system after much study of Indian mythology and careful thought. Turns out it was just a crib from Barker's game.<br /><br />Pundit has a long history of slagging off EoPT, actually. A thread years back on RPGSite was entitled "Tekumel: What the Fuck?"KenHRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613789646908929989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-15758911261812088702014-12-05T18:33:57.295-05:002014-12-05T18:33:57.295-05:00I read RPG Pundit's Blog regularly, though I d...I read RPG Pundit's Blog regularly, though I do not always agree with him. Every time I see him mention Prof Barker and EPT he seems to be pretty positive. StevenWarblehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12697680166430879676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-18068489907586737212014-12-05T17:55:09.184-05:002014-12-05T17:55:09.184-05:00The funny thing is, none of this would have happen...The funny thing is, none of this would have happened if Pundit hadn't been slagging EoPT and Barker's work recently to flog his own clone.KenHRhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11613789646908929989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2589165667013235064.post-74517728283942522262014-12-05T17:26:24.132-05:002014-12-05T17:26:24.132-05:00This is an excellent comparative post, perdustin. ...This is an excellent comparative post, perdustin. It would be great to hold the NKVDPundit's feet to this fire; but that seems unlikely, as you demonstrate in his evasive replies.<br /><br />Tim <br /><br />UN Neutral ObserverAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com